Dear Brethren,

 

A problem has been put in our hands that grieves us greatly but we must obey the Word as you will see below.  I ask that you be patient with us while we bring to your attention a situation that is leavening the body of Christ.  Some have said that we just had a falling out with Matthew or we are jealous or we are lying -- none of which is true.  We have nothing to gain from this except persecution but at least we will suffer for righteousness' sake.  We just had a lot of evidence sent to us and must obey Mt.18:15-17 or we cannot call ourselves elders in God's Church.  Anyone who says we should ignore the evidence from good people is immoral and disobedient to Jesus in these verses.  Surely the victims' rights are more important that the predator's.

 

We were told that Matthew Stephen would be a good person to have on our program because he saw many things similar to us. So I contacted him and we talked and in general the things that we saw coming in the near future were similar.  I invited him to come to UBM and make a program.  I told him that we had made very nice accommodations for him at Bob Aicardi's house.  He very curtly said that he would make his own arrangements with a hotel.  I said to him, "Are you sure?  You will have the whole house and pool mostly to yourself."  He said he was sure. We discovered the reason for this is that Matthew has been traveling with at least one young lady who is not his wife. 

 

While he was on the way to us, Bob Aicardi got a word of knowledge that Matthew would be like another man who turned out to be false and a slanderer of our ministry in the past.  We pondered how this would turn out that way because we had received no other witness against Matthew up to this time.  Within the first 10 minutes of Bob and I meeting with Matthew he told us that many women were running after him and that he was trying to discourage this.  We thought this was a strange thing to inject in our discussion about prophecy.  We found out that he tells everybody this and it is just a cover for the fact that he is seen with other women than his wife, whom he is divorcing.

 

As we spoke with Matthew we discovered that his knowledge of scripture was minimal.  He shared a portion of his timeline clocks with us and I am sure he didn’t even understand this.  I offered to share a timeline with him that was easy to see in scripture.  He said he never did this because it only hindered his gift.  I pointed out that if he studied confusion it would leaven his prophecies but if he studied truth that was easily seen in scripture it could only help. I said mature knowledge improves our prophecy, as Paul said in {1 Cor.13:9} For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; {10} but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away. {11} When I was a child, I spake as a child...  I told him that the doctrine he had of knowledge hurting his prophecy is what ruined the Kansas City prophets.  All they wanted to hear was prophecy but didn't have enough respect for scripture in them to protect them from the Toronto debacle and they fell into sin, as we now know that Matthew also did. 

 

 

There is no proof that T has been promiscuous after becoming a disciple of Christ.  She had a relationship with the father of her seven-year-old daughter but has renounced that for Christ.  His attempts to slander her are to save himself.  So I called Matthew and told him we had the records and they witnessed to his lies.  He said that he never said he didn’t call her.  I said that I wrote down what you said and it was the opposite of the evidence.  He said, "I was just returning her calls."  The record clearly shows that this was another lie.  He called her multiple times between her calls and late at night until the wee hours of the morning, which she did not do.  He said, "She kept wanting to marry me and I kept telling her that she was too young for me at 38." (She is 34 and young enough to be his daughter at 54, which he told me was his age.)  T said it was the other way around.  He said T had called Robin with four Words of Knowledge from different people saying that they should marry. No witness has agreed with this.

 

We have received many witnesses (below) concerning Matthew traveling with at least one young lady about the same age as T.

 

We have followed the Lord's command in bringing this objection to Matthew.  Rob went to him and I went to him but he denied everything so the next command is to bring it to the church.  {Mt.18:15} And if thy brother sin against thee, go, show him his fault between thee and him alone: if he hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. {16} But if he hear [thee] not, take with thee one or two more, that at the mouth of two witnesses or three every word may be established. {17} And if he refuse to hear them, tell it unto the church: and if he refuse to hear the church also, let him be unto thee as the Gentile and the publican.  ... {1 Tim.5:19} Against an elder receive not an accusation, except at [the mouth of] two or three witnesses. {20} Them that sin reprove in the sight of all, that the rest also may be in fear.

 

I sent our findings to a few elders that UBM is associated with only to find out that Matthew was already slandering us, as Bob's word said would happen.  The reputable ministries were quick to recognize the problem and act accordingly.  Only two did not and their answers proved that they would not act for the sake of falsely perceived advantage.  Many leaders will duck their responsibility and be as guilty as the Catholic leaders were in enabling their priests to continue with their fornications to defile many poor souls. They wanted peace and were interested in keeping up appearances more than justice.  In the same way God is trying leaders through this and some are failing this test already.  They will be remembered, as the Catholics are, for empowering Matthew to continue in this sin and deceive and defile the people.  Some ministries have less respect for their sisters than their egos.  We have NO CHOICE if we are truly Christian elders than to do what we are commanded in the verses above.  God will take His grace away from those who don't. 

 

Not wanting this to go to the last commanded step of bringing this before the church I sent Matthew one last email which he refused to answer according to a brother he spoke to.  Below is a portion of it.  The rest is being discussed in this text.

 

Hi Matthew,

 

Come let us reason together saith the Lord.  I ask you to prayerfully consider what I say from the scriptures here.  ...

 

 Also, you should not have pointed your finger at the Kansas City prophets when you were in the same sin because this always brings judgment back on you as Paul said in Rom.2.  {2 Cor.10:6} and being in readiness to avenge all disobedience, when your obedience shall be made full.  Willful disobedience is not forgiven but always brings judgment. {Heb.10:26} For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins, {27} but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries.

 

God has done all of this because he loves you and wants to bring you to repentance.  I also want to see this.  God has just sent us a spirit filled private investigator that we have known for years to look into your past but I have no desire to do this.  Please help me.  When we stop our investigation it means we will sadly have to go to the next step.

 

God wants to forgive and deliver you now.  I will give you my word that if you will confess your sin honestly from your heart, I and Bob will cast those spirits out of you and you will be free.  ...And no one will hear or see our evidence again, unless you are caught doing the same thing.  The few elders that know about this will be told simply that you repented and nothing more.  You will be my close friend from my point of view.  I love people to repent.  I do it myself.  Let your sins be cast in the depths of the sea, brother.  Will you please consider this and let me know quickly? 

 

In a week we got no answer back from Matthew.  I dreaded going to the last step so I asked the Lord to give us a verse about going to the church with this because we don’t want to do anything of our own mind.  He gave me this verse below, which along with the following text says that I would tell the church and some would want their king anyway but he would plunder them and lead them into bondage.

 

{1 Sam.8:10} And Samuel told all the words of Jehovah unto the people that asked of him a king... {18} And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king whom ye shall have chosen you; and Jehovah will not answer you in that day.

 

{19} But the people refused to hearken unto the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay: but we will have a king over us...

 

Our UBM elders, which are 5 fold ministers, are in agreement but they have little bearing on Matthew.  Only the elders of other ministries associated with him can do something for the church under them.  I ask that you would examine the evidence below and if you have an important witnesses of this conduct from Matthew please inform us.  We don’t want any more young girls hurt as T has been.   

 

Your servant in Christ,

David Eells
 

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T: Tuesday, June 17, 2008

I believe the first conversation that I had with Matthew Stephen was May 13, 2008. I can't really remember, but I think it was the first or second time I had talked to him that he had asked me to not tell anyone about our conversations, his reasoning was because he is involved in a ministry, and did not want any gossip.  I believe it may have been the second conversation that I had with him that he began to make light sexual comments.  I remember I kept trying to change the subject, because I was feeling uncomfortable.  As time went by the sexual comments started to progress in vulgarity to the point I knew something was wrong, and I continued to seek counsel with Robert & Debra Stanley.

Also, I gave my password and user name to Robert and Debra Stanley to be able to print off my cell phone records.  You should be receiving a copy from them of my incoming and outgoing calls between Matthew and I.

Sincerely, T

David's notes:  I spoke to T and she informed me of the things that she reported to Rob and Debra Stanley below.  Robin, Michael and Richard's testimony is below also.

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Matthew Stephen Moranor

Robert Stanley:  6/23/08

 

I have been counseling T since October 2006. I have had many phone conversations with her giving scriptural counsel. My wife, Debra, has had many more conversations with T of a more personal friendship nature and mentoring her as an older woman teaching a younger woman.

 

On May 11th or 12th, 2008, I had a long conversation with T about her desire and obsession of finding a husband and getting married and how it had become an idol and that she needed to repent and trust the Lord to send her the man of God that He has been preparing for her. I encouraged her to begin allowing the Lord to prepare her to be a true woman of God for the man of God the He would bring to her. She acknowledged her idolatry, repented and began to seek the Lord.

 

On May 13, Debra told me (via T) that Robin had given Matthew T’s phone number. I sent an email off to Robin, asking her to call me as soon as possible. Robin called and I asked her to not encourage T in any way to pursue a relationship with anybody. Debra told me that T had gotten Matthew’s phone number from his web site and that she had called him. Matthew told T that he would call her back. 

 

Over the next number of days, Debra had numerous conversations with T. She had expressed that Matthew requested her to commit to him that she wouldn’t say anything about their relationship and conversations to anybody. T expressed how difficult this was, as she needed counsel regarding Matthew and this new relationship. Initially, it seemed prudent that their relationship wasn’t general knowledge. As time passed, T began asking questions and making comments that started raising concerns. The impression we got from T, even very early on—within the first week, was that Matthew was actively discussing marriage. It seemed as though it was something that he was quite interested in. Our concern was that this was premature and too early in their relationship to be so openly and seriously discussing marriage. Eventually, on May 24th, T said that Matthew “ok’d” her to talk to us about their relationship. It was in this conversation over a speakerphone, that Debra had a word of knowledge that Matthew had a spirit of lust. Debra commented to T that if Matthew had made any type of sexual comment to her, that he out of line an inappropriate. T’s silence (in the form of a long pause) spoke volumes to us. Debra and I became quite concerned about what had been taking place and the true character of Matthew.

 

Debra had numerous conversations with T over the two weeks. It wasn’t until Matthew was on his trip through the southern states that T divulged the extent of the sexual comments made by Matthew.

 

After becoming aware of the perverse comments that Matthew was making, I tried contacting him, to call him to repent and be delivered. I called on Thursday evening, June 12 and got Matthew’s voice mail. I left a message identifying myself as an elder with Unleavened Bread Ministries and asked him to call me, as I would like to discuss something with him. I left my home phone number and asked him to call ASAP. After not hearing from Matthew, on Friday, the 13th, at 9:30 am PST (12:30 pm EST), I once again called Matthew. Matthew answered and I introduced myself. Matthew was exercising on a treadmill. He stated that he tried calling and wasn’t able to get through. On our home phone, we have both an answering machine and voice mail. People generally do not have a difficult time leaving a message. If we receive a call and the caller does not leave a message, our voice mail still records the call as a missed call. We did not have any messages from Matthew, nor did we have any missed calls during that time period. It took Matthew a few minutes to catch his breath. During this time, I asked him how the meetings were going. He said that they were going very well. There was good attendance, etc. After a few minuets of “small talk”, I stated that I had major concerns regarding some comments that he had made to T. I stated that I was calling to call him to repent of his actions (comments) and that he needed to be delivered from the spirit of lust and from a perverse spirit. 

 

Matthew immediately attempted to divert the conversation and commented that he had been puzzled in how to break off contact and communication with T. He stated that she was continually calling him and that he was troubled in how to get her to stop calling without hurting her. I attempted to bring the conversation around to the comments he had made to T. I stated that T had told my wife Debra, who passed it on to me, that he had told T that he “wanted to spank her with” …(as I phrased it to Matthew)… “a certain part of his anatomy”. Matthew’s response was to “laugh-it-off”, and immediately turn any responsibility back to T and brought up her promiscuous past and how she was continually calling him. His response was to shift any blame and would in no way acknowledge any inappropriate comments. I pointed out that if there was any hidden sin in his life, he needed to repent. I told Matthew that the position he is in, by calling others to repent and turn from their wickedness or else there would be a death judgment, was in essence putting himself under that same death judgment if he didn’t repent. I told him that because of the disparity between his position and what T had related to us and his denial of any such comments, I was going to have to take the matter to David. Matthew said that he’d prefer that I, as an elder of UBM and T and he work this out privately and not bring David into it. I informed Matthew that with as much exposure as he was getting on the UBM broadcasts, it would be irresponsible and negligent of me to not inform David. I asked if he was divorced, he said he and his wife had both signed the divorce papers, that the divorce was filed and they were in the “waiting period”. I asked why they were divorcing. Matthew said that four years ago his wife had committed adultery and that she was the one who filed for the divorce. I told Matthew that he could not, under any circumstance, have any further communication with T. He agreed to not contact her.

 

(Unfortunately, this paragraph has graphic evidence of Matthew's perversion since no one can be convicted without it. If you don’t need to read this stop here and skip this paragraph or let the husband in the house read it.)  As a side note, unfortunately, it is necessary to present specific information regarding the type of sexual comments that were made to T.  Matthew discussed his size when erect; specifically as being 9” and that he “wanted to spank her with it”. Another example is that Matthew said, “It is hard for me. I have a strong desire all the time to have sex. On a trip, when I come back to a motel, I want to have my wife there and do it to her.” Matthew was at Wal-Mart (while on his trip to the south) and told T that he was on a spiritual high. He told her that this is what he was talking to her about—a spiritual high that makes him get sexual. It was at that point that T said, “You’re crazy.” Then T called Debra and said, “He’s crazy, just crazy.”  She opened up and revealed Matthew’s sexual comments as I have stated them above.

 

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Matthew Stephen Moranor

Debra Stanley: 6/23/08

 

Please understand that other than a Word of Knowledge from the Lord, all of this information came to me from T on virtually a day-to-day basis. I have never communicated with Robin in this matter.

 

One evening, I believe May 11^th, Rob had a long conversation with T regarding the placing of an idol (pursuing a husband) before the Lord. He told her that she needed to seek the Father before anything or anyone else. He had spoken with T about this before, but this evening he made the point of doing what he could to get the point across to her. He expressed how important it was and she received this. She repented and started to seek the Lord, and Him only.

 

The next day, later in the day, I spoke with T and she had spending a lot of time that day in the Word (and I believe in worship). She sounded much better, not anxious nor edgy. She was desirous of following the counsel of the Lord to seek after Him.

 

I believe that it was the day after that T called telling me about a conversation that she had with Robin. I do not remember who called whom to start this whole thing off, but the gist of the conversation was that Robin told T, “You are getting married.” Then, at some point, Robin gave Matthew T’s phone number and told T that she wanted to give T  Matthew’s number. At this point, T called me asking what I thought she should do. I told her that she should just wait, keep seeking the Lord, and not to get all crazy. The next day when I talked with her, I told her that if she does get his number, not to call him. She needed to wait and see if he was going to call her. I talked with her about proper order, etc. Then, T said, “What if I already did call him?” We talked a bit about that. She had called him and I believe he said he would call her back. He did.

 

I do not remember hearing much from T for a few days. (Other than a conversation in which she told me that Matthew discussed their age difference. He is 53; she is 34.) He told her that he did not have a problem with it if she didn’t. He also asked about children. Did she want to have any more? She did not commit one way or the other because she did not know what he wanted. When he said that he didn’t want to have any more children, she said that she did not want to either. Then she and I talked a bit. She said she “didn’t have anyone to talk with”. Matthew had told her to keep everything quiet. He didn’t want anything to get out to anyone. At this point, I told her that it could be that he is being protective of the ministry, in that I was sure that he had seen the wagging tongues and slander and malice over the years. I encouraged T to abide by his wishes until he thought it safe to release information. I thought it was good training for T if she was indeed going to be involved with someone in a formal ministry situation.

This went on for many days. T could not tell me anything and was exasperated. However, she did ask me questions. One such question again had to do with why he would want to keep it quiet. A few days went by. I talked with her daily, but she was like a little kid just bursting to talk about something.

 

Another question she had was about courtship. She wanted to know what a Godly courtship would look like. She was hinting around physical touch parameters without saying so. I was unsure if they had met in person just yet, but thought maybe she was just getting herself ready to approach this correctly. I told her about a young couple in our assembly and the parameters we have suggested for them. That seemed to answer her questions, but she still had an uneasiness about her. I took this to be her questioning of the unknown for when they actually did get to meet.

 

During this time, Rob asked her if, when speaking with Matthew, she had completely disclosed her relationship with her daughter’s father. T said that she had for the most part, but that she would address the subject again with him so it was clear. She also told us that Matthew had something about a recent situation in his own life that had happened, but was taken care of.

 

She continued to almost be bursting at the seams. After ten days of this, Matthew gave his consent for her to talk with Rob and me, but only us, no one else. He told her that we would have to keep this to ourselves, as well. When she did talk to us the first time after his okay, (Saturday, May 24^th), she was relieved to be able to talk with someone about some things. [At this point, however, there were still many things Matthew had not released her to talk about.] In this particular conversation with her, Rob and I were on the speakerphone with her as most of our three way conversations are. T was once again asking about the courtship guidelines. “What kind of things are they supposed to say?” Then, I saw it – a spirit of lust. (I had no reason for thinking such a thing. Currently, I had been thinking nothing but the best of Matthew as I was considering him to possibly be someone for T.) I told T that if he was speaking anything of a sexual nature to her that he was out of line. She did not reply to my comment. (It was, of course, because Matthew had told her to not mention such things.) I believe that it was in this particular conversation that T said that she had scene (dream or vision, I do not know) herself and her daughter (7 yr old) at the White House. Matthew had told T that he was going there and that there may be a possibility that she would be accompanying him. The other things in that conversation had to do with the excitement of finally being able to talk about some of these things – about him living in the mountains in Washington, about helping him in the ministry – “You know that you will have to talk with groups of people. Do you have any problems with standing beside me in front of large groups of people?” Then other comments about how the Lord told him that He would give him his Esther when he returned back to Washington after this trip. I do know that Rob talked with her at length during this phone time about purity of relationship before the Father. (I do not remember if all of these comments were from this particular conversation, but I think so.)

 

Rob and I were then talking with her multiple times a day. I could tell that there was still something bugging her, but knew it was not something she could discuss. I asked her a few times, “Are you okay?” She would respond with a “Well, yeah, I guess, there are just some things I don’t get. But they are things that I, well…)

 

Matthew was preparing for his big trip and would be speaking in Costa Mesa on the 31st of May. He asked T to ask us to be sure to listen. We were in California at the time. We had had a go ahead from the Lord regarding going. Before we left for California, Matthew told T that the Lord had confirmed to him that something was indeed going to happen in CA during the month of June and he wasn’t supposed to be there. It concerned T that we would be there at that time. We were careful to seek the Lord in this regard. Boy! Is He faithful. Anyway, we did watch and listen to Matthew on Saturday, May 31^st. This was the first time I had the thought, “Okay, let’s see some verification of past dated dreams/visions with the verification of those things being manifest in the physical.” I did not speak this to anyone, but caution was there.

 

I continued to talk with her daily, sometimes numerous times. It seemed that she needed to have someone to just be with her.  She was confused about the things he was saying and the things she felt the Lord was showing her. He was talking to her about traveling. He told her that she knew she needed to get out of Grand Rapids. He told her many times, “Why don’t you just go stay with those people in Oregon.”,  “Can’t you just go stay with the people in Oregon?”

 

I remember T saying one time that this trip was taking a toll on him. She said that he was exhausted. She and I talked about a trip like this, the number of hours involved, the numbers of people groping at you and wanting your time, etc. She said that a number of times she had told him that they needed to hang up ‘cuz he was so tired and needed rest. His reply was, “No, I just want to talk to you.”

 

On Sunday, June 8^th, T was talking to us about getting the paperwork in order to move out of state. [T’s daughter’s father has to okay T moving out of state before court authorities. Or, if he does not contest it, they can leave.] Matthew was encouraging her to do so. He told her that she really wouldn’t even have to go through all of that because he knows another woman with a child that just left the state and they never came after her.

 

On either Wednesday, June 10^th, or Thursday, June 11^th, T called me. She was very upset. She started just talking, not making much sense really. I started asking her some questions and then the dam broke loose. She said, “Ya know, I just don’t care anymore. I don’t care if he gets upset. He’s crazy. He’s just crazy.” She was crying almost uncontrollably and was deeply hurt. She was going on about him being at a Wal-Mart and talking crazy. (This is when I found out that his “talking crazy” was of a sexual nature. She had used this term before when speaking about him, but whenever I tried to pin her down, she said, “Never mind.”) She said, “Here he’s going into a store, nonetheless. What is he thinking? This is just wrong! He’s crazy.” She continued on, no specifics. I then got the sickest feeling in my stomach. I knew that I had been up against this spirit before – a perverse spirit. I did not tell her what I knew. I just kept trying to calm her down and listen to her. At some point I said to her, “Don’t have any other contact with him T.” She said, “Like I want to. Why would I want to do that?” We had much time on the phone that afternoon/evening, as she was now able to TALK.

 

Here are some things that had been bothering her:

 

He had speaking things of a sexual nature to her. He was telling her she was his bride. She knew that secular men had made sexual comments to her, but didn’t know what to expect from a godly man. She thought it should be different than this and that’s why she asked me all of those questions about courtship.

 

One of the other things that stands out in my mind is this comment: “God had told me that I was going to marry a woman named T who was 5’7”. [This was after he already knew her height.] In fact, when I was marrying Mary [his current wife of 25 years…in process of divorce], I said to the Lord, “Hey, what about T, 5’7”? Whatever happened to her?”

 

Another thing that she mentioned to Rob and me was the following conversation:  

M “Have you been fixed?” because the Lord had told him he would not be raising any more children.

T  “Wait. Wait a minute. You knew I had a child from the beginning. I’m not going to go to a doctor.”

M “Then what are you going to do?”

T “Wait on the Lord. Trust Him.”

 

Two things of a spiritual nature that I remember bothering her:

(1) She brought up his confirmation from the Lord regarding disaster in CA in June. “Remember when I told you that? That seemed weird to me. ‘What do you mean you got confirmation? You are already speaking to everyone. Shouldn’t you have gotten conformation before telling everyone?”

 

(2) On the UBM broadcast June 4^th, Matthew said that he knows how to interpret dreams, but the Lord has told him not to do so. If you have a dream, he told the listening audience, that God would show them the meaning. That night on the phone, T asked him about this as we do a lot of dreams with interpretation in UBM and in Bread of Life (our fellowship here). He told her that he knows how to interpret dreams, but just doesn’t like to. Big difference, T realized, between God telling you something and you just not liking to do it.

 

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Robin, UBM Admin.:  Sunday, June 15, 2008

I contacted Matt Stephen via telephone back in, I believe, April 2008, after reading numerous revelations, prophecies, and reviewing his Map of Destruction on his web site. My intent was to ask Matt for a more specific word, if he had any, as regards the prophetic future of the city where I currently live. This phone contact was made in early to mid April 2008, though I cannot recall the date. T says he first called her on May 13, so I do believe I would have had my three or so telephone conversations with Matt at the very least one full month and a half before May 13.

In the first phone conversation I had with Matt he did indeed mention his troubles with women following him around wherever he traveled to issue his prophetic warnings. There was at least one married woman who minced no words about desiring some kind if inappropriate relationship with Matt, this according to Matt, of course. He told me at one location he went to this married woman came in and sat down and he looked right at her and asked her: Where’s your husband?, or words to that effect. He let me know he was bothered by the forwardness of women.

Matt was very frank about his desire to remarry. Said he is divorced. (David's note: According to the records, Matthew's divorce would not be final until July 25th.) Impression I got was that he has been divorced for quite some time, maybe I thought years, but I can’t remember how long I thought he had been divorced, just that he had been divorced and his kids were grown or nearly so. I did not discuss his marriage with him much at all.

Based on what Matt told me about women chasing him around and how annoyed he sounded about it, I told him, Leave all women alone; most of them are crazy anyway. Just leave women alone if you possibly can. Matt confided in me that he was alone and wanted to remarry, though, that he really couldn’t be alone though he was well aware of scriptural admonition that it’s better if you don’t get married. As the scripture also says, not everyone can receive this saying. I felt sorry for Matt. I also was well aware he was telling me all this to see if maybe I might be interested. No direct question was raised to me, but by the gist of the conversation I was not blind to his intent. I simply wasn’t interested in biting that carrot, so to speak, so I very consciously did not suggest any possibility of interest on my part.

Over the ensuing weeks between early April and early May, I believe I talked to Matt another one or two times by phone. He was quite personable, friendly, straight forward, seemed honest. In his loneliness he compared himself to Jeremiah. He was also sounding like he was doing a lot of running around and spending late nights writing down what the Lord was telling him to write as far as prophetic warnings of things to come. He sounded tired and at the very least in dire need of meaningful conversation with Godly persons, Christian community. I thought about Matt’s situation regarding his desire for a wife. He just wanted a Godly woman; that was his major desire, his major concern.

Matt was on UBBS first before May 13. For a few days or a week before this T came into my mind as possibly someone who might be good for Matt. I did not like the age difference and pushed her out of my mind several times. But she kept coming to mind anyway. I figured maybe it was that little nudge from the Lord that he wanted me to introduce them. Finally, the morning after Matt had been on UBBS, T came heavily to my mind again and I decided to call her and ask her permission to give her number to Matt. I told T I had someone I wanted her to meet. I gave only his first name, the state where he lives, and T wanted to know where I knew him from. I told her UBM and she was very glad to hear that. She quizzed me for his last name, but I would not tell her. She told me she thought she knew who it was; I told her I knew she knew who it was. We went back and forth until I told her to tell me who she thought it was. She guessed it was Matt Stephen. Knowing T as I do, I knew she knew anyway. The night before when he was on UBBS she had a very strong knowing that she really wanted to meet this Matt; that he would have something important to do with her life, possibly a marriage. Indeed this very subject had come up with Deb Stanley only that morning before I‘d called her to ask for permission to pass her number on to Matt.

T was excited about the prospect of meeting Matt; said she’d thought a great deal about him, mentioned how impressed she was with his presentation to the UBBS family, and felt very strongly agreeable to talking to him. She gave me permission to give her number. I emailed Matt and told him I would like him to meet a Godly woman I know. I believe Matt called me that day and we talked a little while about T. He said he’d call her.

T had been counseling only that morning or night before with Deb Stanley and Deb had just been telling her that an older and more mature man would be the likely best choice for T, so that was sort of a confirmation for T and Deb and I that, well, maybe this could be a good match. Frankly, a Ruth and Boaz situation occurred to my mind.

T in her excitement looked up Matt’s phone number on his web site and called him first, which was of concern to both myself and Rob Stanley. Rob had called me to talk about the impending match-up with concern that she might call him first. We were hoping she’d just wait for him to call her. Oh well.

Early on Matt sequestered T by warning her not to talk to anybody about their conversations. I respected that just because I thought it made sense, him having the calling on his life that he does. Makes sense he can’t be too careful. None of their private conversation, it seemed to me, was anybody else’s business until something developed that needed to be presented to David. I never considered it would be something negative though. I expected a marriage between two obviously Godly people. Such is clearly not the case.

I had only a very, very few conversations with T once she began talking with Matt, so early on what scant information I had was that things were “going good” according to T. At no time did T tell me there was anything untoward being said by Matt. After a recently prophetic video conference Matt participated in with Vince Xavier, Benjamin Baruch, and Patricia Xavier out in Temecula, California, I called T to see what she thought of Matt’s appearance. She was okay with it. Their telephone conversations continued. T said he would generally call her pretty much each night.

Then I did not hear from T until last week she called me and was nervous just because she’d sent him a picture of her via email and wondered what he would think of her appearance. Still nothing was said about anything untoward being said by Matt. Apparently T was in regular contact, though, with her UBM assigned counselors the Stanleys and quite a different story was already emerging of Matt’s character, and it was certainly not good as I have been informed as of yesterday 6/14 by David Eells.

Looking back, I will state that Matt struck me as a bit cocky, which I chalked up to his important calling. Perhaps over time he’d calm down, I thought, and resist the temptation to give in to going overboard with pride. It is obvious now that he struggles with some considerable pride issues though. (David's note: Both myself and Bob have received witness of a spirit of pride in Matthew, which is usually dealt with by the Lord through failure.)

When he was on the Daniel Ott show, www.theedgeam.com , a phone call came in from a woman who wished to inform the Ott listening audience of an existing domestic violence complaint against Matt. This phone call was deemed not necessarily credible by Daniel Ott and I am sure others listening as well, certainly by me, and who knew that she wasn’t just an angry ex-wife looking for revenge. Now I wonder what that is really all about.

I talked to T for quite a while Saturday the 14^th and she was quite upset about the spiral downward in Matt’s conversation with her over time. She informed me he’d really caused her some confusion with his wild sex talk and had merely played with her head, so to speak, in many ways with his illicit language and increasingly domineering manner. One thing that particularly upset her is that though Matt knew before he called her that she is the mother of one young child, he began asking her if she would give custody of the child to the bio dad, (who is, from T’s report, no good at all, irresponsible and basically flinging himself from relationship to relationship anyway) in order to devote herself to full-time travel with him as his wife. This among the many other selfish and perverse things stated by Matt to T served to confuse this young woman who had done yeoman’s work over the last two years to straighten out and Christianize her own personal walk with the Lord; as now she struggled to try to understand how a Christian courtship should actually be conducted. She knew how secular men had talked to her in the past, but she did not expect such vulgar talk from a Christian man who seemed to have such a major and Godly prophetic call on his life. She in the recent end became greatly disturbed, disgusted and angry and desired that he not call her anymore. Rob Stanley has also talked to Matt and told him it would be unwise for him to continue calling T at all. Matt so far as I know has respected that advice and ceased calling.

T did inform me of the increasing difficulty of getting the truth out of Matt as regards whether he was talking to other women also and talking to them in the same manner as he was talking to T; that is, at once being romantic but then vulgar and drawing women in with false promises and lurid suggestion. She caught him in a number of lies. Innuendo became the dominating theme of their conversations.

Both I and the Stanleys would tell you that T for her part is a young woman who’s been through a lot of dysfunction in her life and has not had the benefit of much good parenting. Her parents divorced when T was young, she being the eldest of four children, and she was raised by her mom primarily. Both parents are remarried to different people and T has basically been set adrift to fend for herself. The Stanleys, I believe, are the closest thing to parental guidance that T has had the last year and one-half. I have been sort of an adjunct friendly counsel to T for about that long also. T has learned very quickly how to set boundaries around herself so as to not allow men to just run roughshod over her life, demanding her time and energy. She has kept herself out of trouble by counseling extensively with the Stanleys and has been diligent to follow their Godly counsel, so far as I know. I’ve had no bad reports from the Stanleys about T and I have none to give myself based on my numerous telephone conversations with her. There is a lot of good in T and she strives earnestly to live Godly as she ought.

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Richard Fuller: July 4, 2008

 

Greetings from Arkansas, my name is Richard Fuller. I am a former Southern Baptist minister who was ordained and commissioned as an apostle in July of 2005 in a Southern Baptist church, believe it or not. My wife and I have been ministering in the last few years in the US, Central America, Dominican Republic and Africa. God has opened a door for us to move to Greece this fall to do an apostolic work (planting churches). I share this with you to give God all the glory for what He is doing through His people and to give you a little history of the ministry God has called me into.

 

Michael Hare asked that I e-mail you about the recent Matthew Stephen meeting in Little Rock, Arkansas on June 13, 2008. For some time, I have been watching, judging and testing according to Scripture a lot of the so-called prophecies being spoken about America. I've been interested in many that I have read because of the witness in my spirit by the Holy Spirit and also how some of the prophecies line up with Scripture. I have a very close friend who is a true prophet of God who has traveled with me on many trips to other countries ministering the Word of God. He has had many dreams and visions of what is coming to America if America will not repent and turn to God. Let me also say, I appreciate very much all of the information; teaching, prophecies and testimonies that you share on your website. Getting back to the reason I am emailing you, I had some problems with some of what I saw or perceived in the meeting in Little Rock with Matthew. To be honest, I was very close to standing and in love bringing rebuke to Matthew. I did not feel that I had a platform at that time to bring rebuke nor do I feel it would have been received. I was not going to say anything about how I felt until a week or so after the meeting when Bro. Michael called me to see what I had thought of the meeting. It was at this time I shared my perceptions with him. I felt there was an integrity issue when Matthew entered the meeting with a woman who was not his wife whom he called one of his intercessors. When I arrived at the meeting and met Bro. Michael for the first time, I asked him where Matthew was and he told me that Matthew was out in the car praying with a woman. This raised strong integrity issues not only in the natural due to appearance but also in my spirit. As a matter of fact, my wife and I discussed this issue as soon as the meeting was ended and we saw Matthew and this lady rush out to the parking lot to leave. If I'm not mistaken, they left the building before anyone else did.

 

A few days ago I awoke early in the morning and I believe I was led by the Spirit to go to Matthew's website and read one of the prophecies he had written back in 2002 called "War is Coming". At the end of the document, he talks about his view of five fold ministry and how he believes that he can walk in all five of the offices at any time. This type of theology with respect to these five ascension gift ministries (Ephesians 4) has caused Matthew to become somewhat of a lone ranger. No plurality many times means no accountability. When a supposed man or woman of God walks alone apart from the ministry offices given to the body of Christ (Ephesians 4) he or she can very easily fall prey to the Jezebel spirit, which can destroy the man or woman of God through control, manipulation, sexual immorality, etc.. If what I have heard from Michael and felt in my own spirit is true, Matthew not only needs our prayers but he also needs to be confronted in love and given the opportunity to repent. I believe it would help if he is approached by someone whom he knows and maybe trusts.

 

On a more personal note, at the end of the meeting Matthew began giving what I sometimes call pillow prophecies to different individuals. I believe very much in the nine gifts of manifestation of the Spirit such as word of knowledge and have operated in this gift many times but I did not receive a witness in my spirit with all of the words of knowledge given that night. Matthew spoke a word to me that neither my wife nor I received as being from God. Immediately after the meeting, as Matthew was gathering his things to leave, I asked him if God had said anymore to him about Greece since he had prophesied about the earthquake that happened in Greece a few weeks earlier and he said God had told him that many people would move to Greece from the US and it would become a spiritual hub for that region of the world. I told him that was very interesting because my wife and I were moving there this fall to do an apostolic work. He looked at me very funny (possibly because the word he had given me earlier didn’t match with me doing apostolic work) and he then quickly went to ask Michael for the directions to his hotel and he and the lady left the building.

 

I hope some of this information helps. Judging and having to bring rebuke to a member of the body of Christ is the part of ministry that we may not particularly care to do but according to Scripture it is very necessary. There could be tremendous damage done to the body of Christ if this situation is not dealt with, especially with respect to the true prophetic ministry.  I have confidence in the Lord that you will do this with much love. I will be in prayer for you and others who will be involved.

 

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David: July 9, 2008

 

Please pray for Matthew to repent and be restored.  Eternal life is more important than the pleasures of sin for a season.  Ministers, please insist that he repent before loosing him on the poor flocks. 

 

I did call him today to try one more time to reason with him and this time he picked up.  I told him again that we would be glad to pray for him if he would just confess his sin.  He cut me off saying, "We have decided that we are not going there.  Stephen Benning is here and other brethren. This girl just has a problem."  It is clear that he is seeking division. So I told him about all the witnesses that he was traveling with a young woman.  (We have three other written witnesses that he appeared to be doing this but there are a lot more who have seen this in conferences. I had just gotten off the phone with a respected prophet, Vincent Xavier, who said that he had discovered Matthew staying in a hotel room with a young girl, Kathy.  He told him that traveling with this girl at least gave the appearance of sin and wasn’t right. I respect him for this as being one of the few who would obey the Word and stand up for Jesus.  So Matt came back later and told them that he went and got married and had the paperwork and everything.  (I was sent this from Gary: "Matthew admitted on The Edge video that he didn't have a marriage license, so he did marry himself... it's easier to divorce yourself that way when she is no longer needed.")  I told him he should ask to see those papers because he has said his divorce isn’t final until the 25th, over a week later. So either we have another lie or we have polygamy. Another well respected pastor told me that Matthew was traveling with a woman and he disapproved of it.  So if he was so close with her that he decided to marry her after traveling with her the question begs to be asked what was he doing with her before he married her.)

 

So I told Matthew about the correction from his brethren and the witnesses who saw him at the meetings with the woman.  He said, "That has never happened and they are all lying. I have never traveled with another woman in my life."  I said, "Then ALL the witnesses including your brethren are lying and only you are telling the truth?"  He said, "who are they?"  I said that I wouldn’t say because I didn’t have permission. 

 

While we were speaking he said into the phone, "My wife hasn’t traveled with me in a long time."  I said, "You are putting on a show for the others.  I didn’t say anything about your wife and you know it."  I knew it was a lying spirit and so gave up, telling him thank you and goodbye.

 

Notice what another Matthew wrote for God about those who prophesy and think they are justified by that while they live in sin:

 

{Mt.7:21} Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. {22} Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? {23} And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 

 

It has come to our attention that some elders out there are accepting Matthews words against us.  I want to remind you that you are forbidden to receive this. {1 Tim.5:19} Against an elder receive not an accusation, except at [the mouth of] two or three witnesses.  At the same time they do not receive the many witnesses that have come forward of their own will.  Jesus said, {Jn.8:17} Yea and in your law it is written, that the witness of two men is true.

 

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Darren:  July 10, 2008

 

A while back when I had heard Matthew Stephen speak I had went over to his website and he refers to himself as Pastor Matthew Stephen. I had mentioned it to Rory the next time we had spoken and something did not seem to be right. I had unrest and did not know why.

 

This morning I opened my bible up to Acts 5 in regards to Ananias and Sapphira lying to the Holy Spirit. I reflected on this word and went on with my day. Later on I was in my office. I opened up a bible I just got in today. I just bought one of the 1901 ASV large margin editions from High Village Publishing. When I opened it up, it fell open to Acts chapter 5 again and I felt in my spirit that there was something the Lord was speaking to me. I prayed at that point for the Lord to show me.

 

I then began to listen to last night's bible study. I forwarded it to later on in the study and heard you mention Acts 5 again in regards to the brother. This was the third time I heard the same word this morning.

 

This was a confirmed word to me in regards to the brother. I pray that he will repent and receive the correction from the Lords word. ({Acts 5:3} But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thy heart to lie to the Holy Spirit… {4}… thou has not lied unto men, but unto God. {5} And Ananias hearing these words fell down and gave up the ghost… Willfully lying to God’s elders over and over will bring at least spiritual death and a dead conscience is proof of this.)  

 

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Sean: July 9, 2008

 

I am writing to you about the conversation that you have had with T. I was talking to her on June 29th after the bible study, and we were discussing dreams. I had asked her to pray for me concerning me having dreams. That night I had probably the most vivid dream I have ever had (vivid part) with me and T in it.  Anyway during the dream she and I were running from false prophets who were chasing us. They were not catching us however, they were all dying.  I knew this was going on in my spirit.

Few days later I had spoken to T about this dream and she told me that, she looked in her dream journal and had a dream the same night telling me she was running from false prophets.

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All we ask is that you not attack the witnesses but look at the evidence, ask God and be honest.  How many witnesses of moral misconduct unbecoming a minister are needed?  God says two or three.  We have not lied, only shown the witnesses and more are coming.  We did not want to go to this last step.  It would have been easier to sweep it under the rug as the rest.  We only sent this to a few elders of other ministries. We asked nothing of them but God said they were responsible for the church under them. We only posted this when lies were coming out all over the Internet. 

We ask for prayer for Matthew and those he has deceived that God would open all eyes.  If there is anything amiss in what we have said, pray that God would show us but under the circumstances we cannot trust Matthew's word.

Love from your servant in Christ,

David Eells
 

Fornication is translated from the Greek word “Porneia,” which according to Vines Expository Dictionary means any illicit sexual intercourse.  In other words, fornication is the broad word that covers adultery, polygamy, homosexuality, bestiality, masturbation, etc.  Prophet Michael, who also spoke to Matthew, prophesied of his addiction to pornography (Porneia), as I did also through the word of knowledge in the beginning.

 

These men are teaching God’s people fornication, as Balaam was.

 

Vincent Xavier, the prophet/pastor who rebuked Matthew, found that he was staying with his then girl friend in the same hotel room. So Matthew went to Stephen Benning, who married him without a marriage license, because the law forbids his marriage until his divorce was to be final almost four weeks later on the 25th of July. God’s law also forbids this marriage, as we will see.  This makes him a polygamist and fornicator. He just couldn’t wait. God calls that being ruled by lust.  He didn’t have a marriage license and was not divorced yet.

 

Jesus forbade divorce between believers, excepting for fornication. We were told that Matthew began the divorce procedure.  They said there was no fornication on her part and that the divorce came about because of domestic abuse on his part, with a restraining order imposed if he became verbally abusive.  Below is an attempt to pervert the people by showing that this behavior is right.

Not a Prophet
George and Jeannie Kirkpatrick - 7/22/08

Matthew Spared By Grace

Once when Matthew sent out character assassinations with no evidence to his e-list against all of the good people who witnessed or were victims of his evil, the Lord reminded me that I had his e-list.  Matt had sent it to me, he thought by accident by not using Bcc (Blind carbon copy) -- just before we discovered his many sins.  However, it was the will of God who is sovereign over all things.  I thought, "Wow, Lord, you have done it again. You have made it possible to answer his lies to his own people with the clear evidence we put on our site."  Late that night as I was thinking on this, the Lord said, "No, withhold your sword against him and instead send him the story of David who found himself in the midst of Saul's camp and could have killed him with the sword of the Word but instead was merciful."  And so I found myself in the midst of Matt's email camp, which was a fulfillment of prophecy for me, for the Lord told me many times that I was one of His Davids.  He has also told me in the past that the Philistines (the old man) will take Saul out and that I wouldn't have to.

{1 Sam.24:1} And it came to pass, when Saul was returned from following the Philistines, that it was told him, saying, Behold, David is in the wilderness of En-gedi. {2} Then Saul took three thousand chosen men out of all Israel, and went to seek David and his men upon the rocks of the wild goats. {3} And he came to the sheepcotes by the way, where was a cave; and Saul went in to cover his feet. Now David and his men were abiding in the innermost parts of the cave. {4} And the men of David said unto him, Behold, the day of which Jehovah said unto thee, Behold, I will deliver thine enemy into thy hand, and thou shalt do to him as it shall seem good unto thee. Then David arose, and cut off the skirt of Saul's robe privily. {5} And it came to pass afterward, that David's heart smote him, because he had cut off Saul's skirt. {6} And he said unto his men, Jehovah forbid that I should do this thing unto my lord, Jehovah's anointed, to put forth my hand against him, seeing he is Jehovah's anointed. {7} So David checked his men with these words, and suffered them not to rise against Saul. And Saul rose up out of the cave, and went on his way.

I have not sought Matthew's hurt.  The things we have done are commanded of the Lord in Mt.18:15-17 and 1 Tim.5:20.  UBM has always obeyed these commands, which are not retaliation but for the purpose of God's love to bring his stubborn heart to repentance.  The people could not see his sins leading them astray so God proclaimed it through the witnesses for their sakes and his.

{24:8} David also arose afterward, and went out of the cave, and cried after Saul, saying, My lord the king. And when Saul looked behind him, David bowed with his face to the earth, and did obeisance. {9} And David said to Saul, Wherefore hearkenest thou to men's words, saying, Behold, David seeketh thy hurt? {10} Behold, this day thine eyes have seen how that Jehovah had delivered thee to-day into my hand in the cave: and some bade me kill thee; but [mine eye] spared thee; and I said, I will not put forth my hand against my lord; for he is Jehovah's anointed. {11} Moreover, my father, see, yea, see the skirt of thy robe in my hand; for in that I cut off the skirt of thy robe, and killed thee not, know thou and see that there is neither evil nor transgression in my hand, and I have not sinned against thee, though thou huntest after my life to take it. {12} Jehovah judge between me and thee, and Jehovah avenge me of thee; but my hand shall not be upon thee. {13} As saith the proverb of the ancients, Out of the wicked cometh forth wickedness; but my hand shall not be upon thee. {14} After whom is the king of Israel come out? after whom dost thou pursue? after a dead dog, after a flea. {15} Jehovah therefore be judge, and give sentence between me and thee, and see, and plead my cause, and deliver me out of thy hand. 

Even though we have cut off Matt's skirt, revealing the ugly details of his flesh, we have spared him in the midst of his camp.  We have done good unto Matt but he has returned it with slander and no evidence.  (Matt, please confess your sin, as even Saul did, and gave up the attack on David and his brethren.)

{24:16} And it came to pass, when David had made an end of speaking these words unto Saul, that Saul said, Is this thy voice, my son David? And Saul lifted up his voice, and wept. {17} And he said to David, Thou art more righteous than I; for thou hast rendered unto me good, whereas I have rendered unto thee evil. {18} And thou hast declared this day how that thou hast dealt well with me, forasmuch as when Jehovah had delivered me up into thy hand, thou killedst me not. {19} For if a man find his enemy, will he let him go well away? wherefore Jehovah reward thee good for that which thou hast done unto me this day. {20} And now, behold, I know that thou shalt surely be king, and that the kingdom of Israel shall be established in thy hand. {21} Swear now therefore unto me by Jehovah, that thou wilt not cut off my seed after me, and that thou wilt not destroy my name out of my father's house. {22} And David sware unto Saul. And Saul went home; but David and his men gat them up unto the stronghold. 

Please don't let the Philistine take you out.  It isn't the gifts that count before God, brother, but the fruit of obedience.  Those who prophesy but sin willfully will be lost (Heb.10:26).

{Mt.7:15} Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves. {16} By their fruits ye shall know them. Do [men] gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? {17} Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. {7:18} A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. {19} Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. {20} Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them. {21} Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. {22} Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? {23} And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I desire the best for you, brother.  Please, humble yourself and confess your sin and God will deliver you.  Please step down from your self-exalted position and submit to true ministers for the sake of your soul.

Love from your servant in Christ,
David